Skip to content
Main Street Plaza

A Community for Anyone Interested in Mormonism.

Main Street Plaza

A Community for Anyone Interested in Mormonism.

Missionary Chat: Omniscience vs. endowments

profxm, April 1, 2014March 27, 2014

Today’s missionary chat is based on a question my wife raised that I always found interesting: If God is omniscient, then why do Mormons have endowments done?  Wouldn’t God know who to let into the Celestial Kingdom without evidence of having an endowment done?  Here’s the chat:

Angie: hi!

Bob (me): Hi Angie.

Angie: hello! how are today?

Bob: I’m well.  How are you?

Angie: Fantastic! 🙂

Angie: Is there anything that we can help you with?

Bob: Yep, I have a question.

Angie: alright! what is it?

Bob: First, do you believe that God is omniscient (i.e., knows everything)?

Melody: We know that he know every things

Bob: Okay. I just wanted to make sure. That leads to my primary question. If God is omniscient, then why do Mormons have to receive the endowment? If I’m not mistaken, the endowment is a gift of knowledge that includes learning handshakes and passwords to get past angels who stand as sentinels to the Celestial Kingdom. If God knows who is worthy and who isn’t, why the handshakes and passwords?

Angie: sorry, I really don’t know about that because as a purpose of a missionary is to invite others to come unto Christ. and we Share the Basic belief.

Bob: Hmm… Aren’t endowments required to get into the Celestial Kingdom?

Angie: yes all the I know that we need to do all the Temple ordinances,because it is a command to us

Angie: so you are a member in the church?

Bob: No. I’m just very interested in Mormonism and someone pointed out that this seems odd.  So I thought I’d ask a missionary.

Melody: Where are you from?

Bob: I live in Florida right now.

Angie: cool! so did you meet before the missionaries?

Bob: Yep. I’ve met with many missionaries.

Angie: so how is it?

Bob: Not sure what you mean.  If you’re wondering what I think of the missionaries, I’d say that I don’t find their arguments compelling enough to join the LDS Church.

[The chat session has ended.]

They killed the chat at this point.

So, this question was clearly too “deep” for these missionaries.  I’m not convinced they even knew what “omniscient” meant.  I also find it sad that people do things because it is a “commandment,” no questions asked.  And, finally, I am transcribing the chat exactly as it occurred.  So, the typos and grammar of the missionaries are exactly what they wrote.  I’m not sure how well they end up representing the LDS Church when they write so incoherently.

God himself Mission Mission Field

Post navigation

Previous post
Next post

Related Posts

The true meaning of service: Scott Miller and Mark Hubble’s “The Book of a Mormon”

November 16, 2015

Like many young Mormon adults, Scott Miller set off on a mission largely because he had always planned to — but wasn’t really prepared for what he was getting himself into. This mission memoir takes place in the late 70’s — earlier than most others I’ve read. Amusing 70’s-specific tidbits…

Read More

WWJD vs. WWJSD

November 12, 2010January 15, 2011

Have you ever wondered what the difference would be between “WhatWouldJesus Do” (WWJD) and “What Would Joseph Smith Do” (WWJSD)? If we can assume that the modern LDS Church reflects Joseph Smith’s views, apparently what Joseph Smith would do is tell poor Haitians in Leogane, Haiti that they CAN’T take…

Read More

Missionary Chat: Origins of the Bible

April 16, 2014April 15, 2014

I’ll admit up front, this chat was basically just an attempt to show that Mormon missionaries are ignorant.  I wanted to know what they knew about the origins of the Bible.  Here we go: Bailey: hi how are you? Bart (me): I’m good. How are you? Bailey: good Bailey: what…

Read More

Comments (4)

  1. Alan says:
    April 1, 2014 at 8:04 am

    In this case, I think English is not their first language, so I wouldn’t be bothered by that. But yeah, script rules: (1) can’t be off-topic, (2) can’t be controversial, (3) can’t go too deep.

    I wonder what percentage of visitors they have to remind of the purpose of the chat.

    Reply
  2. chanson says:
    April 1, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Do you think that in this chat they knew about your previous chats?

    Reply
  3. profxm says:
    April 1, 2014 at 11:27 am

    chanson, they didn’t. I’ve been clearing my cookies before new chats and that seemed to remove my history.

    Reply
  4. Just Jill says:
    April 1, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Yeah, I think Alan is correct. English is not her first language. I’m sure your questions were a bit confusing to her. But I thought you made some very good points. 😉

    Reply

Leave a Reply to profxm Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

  1. Pam on Time to Vote for X-MoOTY and the Brodie Awards 2025!!January 10, 2026

    I have not watched even half of the content providers out there. I will be expanding my viewing now that…

  2. Juanita Hartill on Time to Vote for X-MoOTY and the Brodie Awards 2025!!January 8, 2026

    Was not aware of a lot of these different forums and things. Will be checking them out.

  3. Jeanny Nakaya on 2025 Awards Season ScheduleJanuary 8, 2026

    Awesome work!!!!

  4. chanson on Last Call for Nominations!!January 8, 2026

    Thanks for all of the great nominations, everyone!! Nominations are closed. Vote here.

  5. Tom on Collecting Nominations for William Law X-Mormon of the Year 2025!!!January 7, 2026

    I nominate Rebecca Biblioteca and Mormonish for their coverage of the Fairview Temple debacle.

8: The Mormon Proposition Acceptance of Gays Add new tag Affirmation angry exmormon awards Book Reviews BYU comments Dallin H. Oaks DAMU disaffected mormon underground Dustin Lance Black Ex-Mormon Exclusion policy Excommunicated exmormon faith Family feminism Gay Gay Love Gay Marriage Gay Relationships General Conference Happiness Homosexual Homosexuality LDS LGBT LGBTQ Link Bomb missionaries Modesty Mormon Mormon Alumni Association Mormonism motherhood peace politics Polygamy priesthood ban Secularism Sunstone temple

©2026 Main Street Plaza | WordPress Theme by SuperbThemes