A Tale of Two Humanists

I read in the paper the a few weeks ago of the death of General Authority emeritus Marion D. Hanks. Elder Hanks very nearly had the privilege of being the first person I ever came out to.

Heres the story, which happened some 32 years ago.

My father was a stake president during my adolescent and young adult years. We lived in the mission field, and in those days the General Authorities made frequent visits to stake conferences. They would arrive on a Friday night and leave on Sunday afternoon. They lodged with president of the stake they were visiting, who was responsible for their food, transportation and housing.

My mother was always stressed by these visits. We went into overdrive cleaning the (already clean) house and making sure there were no failures of hospitality. The quick start settings on a Karcher pressure washer makes cleaning easier and faster. Of course, occasional lapses did occur. I remember one unfortunate day when after frantic and thorough cleaning of the guest bathroom, someone forgot to replace the towels. The bathroom itself, however, could have been used as an operating theater for brain surgery. It was my job a few hours later to hand in a towel to the naked and dripping member of the Quorum of the Twelve who had stepped out of the shower into the towelless (but very clean!) bathroom. My poor mother almost died of shame. The houseguest in question is still one of the Twelve.

These visits by the Brethren were surprisingly intimate. Im the youngest child in my family, and for the last several years of high school I was the only child living at home. Therefore, at meals, it would just be my parents, me and the visiting GA. Being a teenager I was, of course, not fully mature, but I was an avid reader and had developed fairly good powers of observation. I studied these men carefully as they sat at our dinner table, rode in the car, spoke in Church and chatted informally with my parents.

I learned something from these visits about General Authorities. I learned that they were usually brusque and impatient men who lacked personal warmth in one-on-one situations. One member of the Quorum of the Twelve (not the one I gave a towel to) struck me as particularly short tempered, even hostile. Only later in life did I learn that the G.A. personality type I had encountered was really just an example of the more general executive personality type. I started to run into men like those GAs all the time when I entered corporate life. They usually had titles of Vice President or Chief Whatever. The business executives I saw were efficient time managers who had deep affinity for quantifiable results and were allergic to excuses offered by their underlings. I learned later that everyone who manages an organization of more than 1,000 people has this kind of personality. Unlike virtually every other religious denomination, the LDS Church uses a corporate style of governance. Its no wonder that the top LDS leaders act like executives when they conduct church business. Im not offering this tidbit in the spirit of criticism. Its really just background for what happened next.

When I was a freshman in college I came home for spring break, and the visit happened to coincide with stake conference. Our visiting General Authority was Elder Marion D. Hanks. Elder Hanks had a bit of a cult following in the Church due to his compassionate sermons. I was eager to meet him. At this time I was actively preparing to submit papers for my mission. When I met Elder Hanks, the first thing I noticed was the total absence of the G.A. personality. He looked into my eyes, and I immediately understood that he cared and that he was interested in who I was. We chatted about my college experiences (I went to a well-known East Coast school) and some other topics that I dont remember well. I was completely enthralled by the holiness and compassion of this man. Normally I was reserved, even cautious, around the visiting G.A.s, but not this time.

The stake we lived in was geographically large. At one point during the weekend Elder Hanks needed to be conveyed from one location to another, which would have entailed a car trip of approximately one hour. My father asked me to drive Elder Hanks where he needed to go.

My mind raced: I would have an hour alone with someone who I thought had the answers to the Big Questions. As you can imagine, I was completely preoccupied, prior to my mission, with trying to deal with my homosexual orientation. Like many young people, I thought G.A.s had a direct pipeline to God. A thought came into my head: I could ask Elder Hanks about my big secret.

Fate intervened, however, and I never got the opportunity to have that talk. My fathers schedule cleared, and he was able to drive Elder Hanks himself. I remember my father telling me that he needed to discuss some church business during the drive. The two of them traveled alone.

Thinking back on this I wonder what could have been, and Im supremely grateful that I did not have the opportunity to bare my soul to that kind-hearted visiting church leader. I have absolute faith that Elder Hanks would have treated me with dignity and compassion. He was that kind of man. Nonetheless, this was during the era of the Churchs most hardline stance against homosexuality. The official thinking was that homosexual orientation could be changed by a process of repentance. Young people were routinely counseled to enter mixed-orientation marriages. No matter how compassionate Elder Hanks might have been, he wouldnt have had any way to help me, and it is likely that he would have told me to confide in my parents, which at that time would have been a disaster. I might even have ended up in hands of LDS Social Services and who knows where that would have led. This was in the era of aversion therapy and Freudian nonsense. (Which is worse, being thrown into a pit full of behaviorists or Freudians?) Its hard to remember today how bad the Church used to be on this issue. As bad as it now, there’s been a big step forward from when I was a young person.

When I read the Elder Hanks obituary, I was pleased to find out that he was active in humanitarian causes and had been an early champion of LDS service missions. Even after all these years, I am filled with respect and admiration for this man.

After my mission I went back to college and encountered someone who reminded me of Elder Hanks. It was the famous anthropologist Ashley Montagu. Professor Montagu had pioneered research into the maternal-infant bond. As I got to know him in a small seminar, I was amazed at how profound were his understanding of and affection for the human animal. He had a great influence on my thinking. It was the first time that I realized the power of the humanist point of view and how much it had in common with the highest ideals (as I understood them) of my religious tradition. It was the first time I got a glimpse of the idea that you could be good without God. Of course, I was a closeted, active Mormon at this time on the brink of entering an extremely ill-advised mixed-orientation marriage. He probably thought I was a mess (which I was).

Both Elder Hanks and Professor Montagu have passed on. In the end, I dont see these men as very different in outlook, even though one of them was probably a nonbeliever (we never discussed it) and the other was an LDS general authority.

[Related note: Interestingly, Elder Hanks was later sidelined in a manner to similar to Marlin Jensen more recently. It seems that sidelining the most compassionate General Authorities is something that repeats itself in every generation.]

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16 Responses

  1. Chino Blanco says:

    As it turns out, I just listened to Margaret Young and Darius Gray reminiscing about Elder Hanks over at MM. Sounds like he was one of the good guys.

  2. chanson says:

    Wow, great story! It’s amazing how even minor contacts and incidents can have a lifelong impact. Thanks for sharing!

  3. Alan says:

    [Related note: Interestingly, Elder Hanks was later sidelined in a manner to similar to Marlin Jensen more recently. It seems that sidelining the most compassionate General Authorities is something that repeats itself in every generation.]

    Are you referring to Jensen’s “apology” for Prop 8 (not for the Church’s involvement, but the pain caused by that involvement)? It is kinda sad to think that it’s just a personality difference that brought about the “apology” as opposed to a sign of actual movement among the GAs.

    Which is worse, being thrown into a pit full of behaviorists or Freudians?

    Well, if it was Freud himself, he actually didn’t think homosexuality was curable or all that bad, really. He thought it was abnormal, but not bad.

  4. parker says:

    I can’t document it, but Elder Hanks fell out of favor with at least one member of the top fifteen. Everyone expected him to be called to the Quorum of Twelve, but instead he was marginalized.

  5. Hellmut says:

    Thank you very much for sharing your experience, MoHoHawaii. I enjoyed reading your beautiful and profound story.

    It seems to me that the manager role rather than a personality brings out these “cold” traits.

  6. Hellmut says:

    We can’t have general authorities going around and apologizing. The members might begin to rely on their own judgment to arrive at decisions and next, we will be the Community of Christ.

  7. JJL9 says:


    I have to say that your impression of GA’s as described briefly thusly (I know that’s not a word, but it has been burned into my vocabulary by Alton Brown):

    “I learned something from these visits about General Authorities. I learned that they were usually brusque and impatient men who lacked personal warmth in one-on-one situations.”

    You go on to elaborate on that and reinforce it, as well.

    I don’t suppose it matters much, but I have to say that your conclusion is just yours. If you were to poll a large number of people who have been in a lot of one-on-one situations with GAs (members, nonmembers, x-members), the great majority of them will not agree with you.

    Perhaps it is just coincidental to the particular GAs that you met, or the particular situations that those particular GAs were going through at the time, or perhaps your young perception was just wrong, or perhaps you have a bias that you have built up and you are just overly critical of them, or perhaps you are just making it all up.

    Whatever the case, whether you want to agree or not, most people disagree with your assessment.

  8. kuri says:

    I don’t always give much weight to personal anecdotes, but I do always give more weight to anecdotes than I do to imaginary polls. YMMV.

  9. JJL9 says:

    Kuri, you give more weight to whoever is criticizing the LDS Church.

    I could have said that in my experience, everyone I’ve ever met, member, nonmeber, x-member, etc… has said the opposite about GAs in general, blah blah blah…

    That is true, but anecdotal. Would you suddenly agree with me? I don’t think so.

  10. kuri says:

    I generally believe people who say they met someone (semi-) famous and that person was nice. Why wouldn’t I? I also generally believe them when they say they met someone and that person was less than nice. Why wouldn’t I?

    But I’m more skeptical when a person tries to tell me what “most people” or “everyone” says about somebody. That makes it a question of data rather than anecdotes, and without actual data, why should I believe it? And I am even more skeptical when the person doing the telling reacts personally and defensively to any criticism of the group to which he belongs. That suggests that the person is probably more interested in defending the group than in understanding whatever it is that’s being discussed.

  11. JJL9 says:

    Really, so when MoHo said, “I learned later that everyone who manages an organization of more than 1,000 people has this kind of personality” that fit right in with your little theory of beleiving people when they tell you that they met someone and that person was less than nice, but somehow also fit with the skeptical side of you that kicks in when someone tries to tell you how “most people” or “everyone” that is a GA or even a manager of 1,000 people, is like?

    You guys are the biggest fakes I’ve ever found on the web. You sit and try to pretend like you’re so open-minded and so objective. You’re anything but.

    If I came in and wrote a piece where I said….

    Once upon a time, a long, long time ago, I met a bunch of GAs and found them to be the nicest, warmest, most genuine people I had ever come across, etc… and later in life I found out that all men who are called of God to serve and preside over at least 1000 people are like that….

    you would have treated my experience the same way you are treating MoHo’s?


    You would?

  12. Alan says:

    Executives have a personality type. This is something you can read about from a number of sources, placing it in the realm of “fact.” Mormon GAs are executives. Hence, 1+1=2.

    MoHo’s post is an anecdote, never intending to be objective fact. But he uses facts to back up his anecdote.

    If it were the case that executives were, on whole, nice, warm, genuine people, then yes, your “once upon a time” story would resonate. But alas, this is not the case.

    Besides, you only seem to take issue with the “bad” parts (which leads me to concur with kuri); MoHo specifically mentioned that there are warm GAs.

    You guys are the biggest fakes Ive ever found on the web.

    There are a lot more voices here than you might think.

  13. kuri says:

    JJL9, no actually, I am somewhat skeptical of MoHoH’s generalization. I believe that he experienced what he said he did. The church also seems to be run in a style that is rather more “corporate” than “pastoral.” So the idea that the personalities of the men MOHoH met are representative is quite plausible, but that’s all. I have no idea if his generalization is accurate.

    But I would indeed believe something MoHoHawaii or Morzen or many other people here say about their experiences in church more readily than I would something you say. There’s a good reason for this. I know them to some degree. I’ve seen them make intelligent, thoughtful comments here and on other blogs. So I view everything they say in light of what I know about them.

    On the other hand, I know very little about you, but from what I’ve seen so far, you’re a reflexive defender of the church. You seemingly believe that any criticism of the church or its leaders must be self-evidently untrue and respond accordingly. So I have to view anything you say about the church in that light. Thus, I likely would not see your anecdotes as being as trustworthy as Morzen’s or MoHoH’s.

  14. chanson says:

    JJL9 — Since you’ve now left remarks on a number of threads, I take it you’re interested in having a discussion with the folks here. That’s fine — we’re happy to have a civil and constructive dialog with you if you’re interested in having a civil and constructive dialog with us.

    I’d like to draw your attention again to our welcome page, and highlight for you a part that you may find relevant:

    Remember that weve been pretty successful at having a civil discussion across belief lines here for several years now, so if you wont/cant make your point in a clear and reasonable way, then it only makes your own position look, well, questionable.

    In case that’s not clear enough, let me spell it out even more clearly. When you come here hurling insults and repeating nonsense like “show me a non-Mormon who calls himself Mormon”, etc., that’s the kind of behavoir that screams: “I’m a troll! I think it’s hilarious to get a rise out of people on the Internet to see what kinds of reactions I can get! ROTFL, I’ve sure got you guys dancing around in circles to my tune!”

    Now, if you have points of disagreement with things various posters have said, and if you can express them in a clear and civil manner, people here will be happy to address them. If not, don’t expect people to take your comments seriously.

  15. limbo says:

    Thanks for sharing this, really interesting stuff. I do wonder what he would have said.

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