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It’s the Community, Stupid

Donna Banta, November 29, 2023November 29, 2023

It was over thirty years ago but I remember it like yesterday. Our daughter was sitting with us in the pews, watching the administration of the sacrament, when it dawned on her: Only boys were participating!

That same day she asked her Primary teacher why girls weren’t also permitted to pass the little silver trays. Her teacher, a kind man with daughters of his own, replied: “Because girls get to have babies.” –Because…what else could he say?

After church she came to me, asking if this was true. I replied, “Well, yes.”—Because…what else could I say? She would never hold the priesthood. But she would “get to” (make that “be expected to”) have babies. Lots of them.

She was just a kid, but she was watching. She saw what I’d been turning a blind eye to for so many years. It felt like a slap in the face. Bottom line, church is about community, and nobody wants to take part in a community that devalues her. Much less raise her child in one. Neither she nor I went back to church after that.

Since that day I’ve met and corresponded with literally hundreds of women and men who have left the LDS Church for precisely that reason. They felt devalued in their community. Members, the young in particular, are abandoning the pews in sizable numbers. Yet the old white men in Salt Lake City still don’t seem to see the problem.

Take this recent ado here in the Bay Area. As reported in the Salt Lake Tribune,** an LDS Church Area Representative banned female ward leaders from sitting on the stand during Sacrament Meetings, a local practice adopted some ten years ago. Another slap in the face.

While the local inclusion of female leaders on the stand was news to me, I’m not really surprised. I’d visited my friend’s Walnut Creek ward during the early aughts. For the most part the congregants appeared well-educated, well-traveled, unbiased rather than tribal in their politics. It’s no wonder they wanted to recognize women, who do the lion’s share of work in any ward.

Church leaders didn’t offer the specifics, but I can imagine their reasoning. Something along the lines of “give them an inch” and before you know it…catastrophe…


Whatever their rationale, it was a bad call, a blow to the local as well as the greater LDS community. Because yanking female leaders off the stand is a mighty strong visual. And the members are watching. The young in particular.

**The article, available to Tribune subscribers only, can be found here: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/11/24/slap-face-lds-relief-society/

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Comments (2)

  1. @Monya_PostMo says:
    November 29, 2023 at 7:08 pm

    I remember as a little girl some stake authority came to primary and asked how many boys were going on a mission and how many girls wanted to be mothers, and I raised my hand both times. This old man noticed and announced that a girl had raised her hand and “that really taught me a lesson.” And then he asked the girls to raised their hands. I think I was a Star A. The next year, he came back and he asked the same separate questions for boys and girls. I waited to raise my hand when he asked the girls about missions. But, this year, he didn’t.

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  2. Donna Banta says:
    November 30, 2023 at 8:09 am

    Ha! It appears you did teach him a lesson. He just assumed the boys and girls would parrot back the expected answers.

    Not much has changed, I’m afraid. Church leadership still behave as though they can manipulate or bully members into compliance because nobody will leave “the one and only true church.” Fact is people can leave, and do. Thanks for the comment!

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