Sunday in Outer Blogness: Now what? edition!
By now you probably know that around 500 women stood in the standby line to get tickets to the Priesthood session of conference and were turned away. One of the talks in the session contained a hidden message for the women who would like to be ordained, and got mixed reviews. I think Lynette is on to something:
I was not surprised to find the belief that Elder Oaks had adequately addressed the issue. In reading the reactions of OW supporters, by contrast, I found an overwhelming sense that the Oaks talk did not in fact satisfactorily address their concerns. Whether or not the talk can be seen as a success, then, depends on whom you believe to be its intended audience.
I left the action renewed and even hopeful. The calm, peaceful expression of our desire for greater gender equality in the church seemed to have been met graciously and hospitably, with a tone and an approach that was mature and loving. Though it was clear that this didnâ€™t represent any sort of willingness on the part of church leaders to change or even consider a change to existing priesthood policies, there was a sense of camaraderie and friendship in the exchange. I felt as though the message Sister Farah conveyed was, â€œNo, we donâ€™t agree with you, but you are still our brothers and sisters in Christ.â€
Then last night, over pasta with some friends, we saw the churchâ€™s official response pop up in our Facebook feeds.
It was a knife in the back.
Speaking of women’s roles in the CoJCoL-dS, this metaphor absolutely nails it! (I will definitely be adding a “Best Metaphor/Analogy” category in the 2014 Brodies…)
Andrew S was surprised that his suggestions for how the church could change to accommodate women was “dismissed simply as exmormons exmorm-ing.” LOL, welcome to the club! It doesn’t matter if you write whole posts about what you like about being Mormon — if you don’t believe and you’re still talking about it, you’re an “anti”!
It reminds me of this off-hand remark by the Profet:
Of the women I personally know that do think it is a good thing, most of them have left the church.
It’s funny because it’s the sort of thing both sides can point to and say, “See?!”
Of course, conference wasn’t the only item on this past week’s Mormon discussion menu:
The CoJCoL-dS is developing creative new ways make you someone’s project! If this happens to you, remember it could be worse. This week’s Godless Doctrine lesson covers some inspiring Biblical morality. And how are all of those new missionaries doing?
This was a fun week for interfaith interaction! Bruce Nielsen wrote a a really long (yet interesting) post about how debating the beliefs and actions of specific individuals (eg. John Dehlin, Andrew S, and Kate Kelly) is equivalent to debating the claims and actions of the CoJCoL-dS because the members of the CoJCoL-dS take such debates personally. IMHO, the fact that individual members interpret criticism of the church as a personal attack on themselves is a huge problem which causes unnecessary hurt in mixed-belief families.
Bruce’s post also contained a challenge to John Dehlin to do a no-holds-barred interview. To be honest, I think such a podcast would be kind of awesome, but I doubt JD will do it.
In a similar comic mis-communication across belief lines, Aaron Shafovaloff has again decided to post his Creed of â€œPractical Mormonism Atheismâ€ — and then proceeded to debate against it, despite the fact that exactly no one has affirmed this as their creed. As a return favor to Aaron, I’d like to outline for you all the creed of the Christians who debate Mormons:
- Make up a bunch of random stuff and claim that it’s what Mormon atheists believe.
- Do not consult any real-live atheists when compiling your list of their beliefs.
- If any actual Mormon atheists come by threatening to give you reality-based information about them, be sure to delete their comments.
And, life goes on after Mormonism. Uomo Nuovo has been enjoying a wedding trip in Hawaii! Marriage matters to Seth as well. Lynette took a train trip from Emeryville, CA to Indianapolis, IN — very cool!! — by train is my favorite way to travel. And Knotty is concerned about new laws being put in place to protect fetuses from their mothers’ bad decisions.
Now I’m off to go on a Sunday hike with my kids. Have a great Sunday and a great week!! 😀