Personal Apostasy Research from LDS.org
Below I have compiled a list of references, along with samples (some very lengthy…OK, this entire post is VERY long – that’s why I have highlighted the good stuff) from those references, of talks and lessons that refer to personal apostasy from the LDS.org website. My primary purpose in collecting this information was to try to determine the most prominent teachings to members of the church as it relates to those who decide to leave the church.
While I cannot emphasize enough my complete disagreement with what the church teaches in this regard, I can understand why members of the church may be so judgmental when it comes to characterizing those who decide to leave the church for whatever reason. It seems that in the eyes of many members of the church, no reason could ever be good enough for leaving the church…and when you understand what members of the church are taught about this, it is easy to see why.
While my research only represents a small sample of the amount of information contained throughout the church website, I would challenge anyone to come up with sources, prevalent in the church, that do not seek to characterize those who leave the church as evil, wanting to sin, being offended or being ignorant in some way.
I have highlighted the main points in the information below that seek to characterize in some way those that leave the church. My comments will be sprinkled throughout in bold italics. Enjoy!
“…However, we need to be concerned and watchful that we do not fall into personal apostasy, which can result from several causes. I will mention only a few.
Apostasy frequently results when a person commits serious sin but does not repent. To silence his conscience or justify his sinful actions, the individual moves away from the truth, looking for imperfections in others or questioning Church doctrine with which he no longer agrees.
Conflicts between Church members can also lead to apostasy. Some individuals begin to think the Church is not true when they feel that a leader did not treat them well. They become offended and, without considering what they are losing, they stray from the Church.
Faultfinding can be another source of personal apostasy. When we look for faults in others or begin to think we could make better decisions than our leaders, we should remember the experience of Oliver Cowdery, the second elder of the Church…
… I testify that we can avoid the mists of darkness that lead to personal apostasy by repenting of our sins, overcoming offense, eliminating faultfinding, and following our Church leaders. We can also avoid those mists by humbling ourselves, forgiving others, keeping our covenants, partaking of the sacrament worthily each week, and strengthening our testimonies through prayer, daily scripture study, temple attendance where possible, magnifying our Church callings, and serving our fellowmen.
We need to be concerned and watchful in order to avoid the mists of darkness that can lead to personal apostasy.”
“Teachings of Brigham Young
Apostasy is turning away from the Church and ultimately denying the faith.
What is that which turns people away from this Church? Very trifling affairs are generally the commencement of their divergence from the right path. If we follow a compass, the needle of which does not point correctly, a very slight deviation in the beginning will lead us, when we have traveled some distance, far to one side of the true point for which we are aiming (DBY, 83).
If the Saints neglect to pray, and violate the day that is set apart for the worship of God, they will lose his Spirit. If a man shall suffer himself to be overcome with anger, and curse and swear, taking the name of the Deity in vain, he cannot retain the Holy Spirit. In short, if a man shall do anything which he knows to be wrong, and repenteth not, he cannot enjoy the Holy Spirit, but will walk in darkness and ultimately deny the faith (DBY, 85).
It is most astonishing to every principle of intelligence that any man or woman will close their eyes upon eternal things after they have been made acquainted with them, and let the (gay) things of this world, the lusts of the eye, and the lusts of the flesh, entangle their minds and draw them one hairs breadth from the principles of life (DBY, 82).
It was said here this morning that no person ever apostatized, without actual transgression. Omission of duty leads to commission (DBY, 82).
You hear many say, “I am a Latter-day Saint, and I never will apostatize;” “I am a Latter-day Saint, and shall be to the day of my death.” I never make such declarations, and never shall. I think I have learned that of myself I have no power, but my system is organized to increase in wisdom, knowledge, and power, getting a little here and a little there. But when I am left to myself, I have no power, and my wisdom is foolishness; then I cling close to the Lord, and I have power in his name. I think I have learned the Gospel so as to know, that in and of myself I am nothing [see Alma 26:12] (DBY, 84).
Let a man or woman who has received much of the power of God, visions and revelations, turn away from the holy commandments of the Lord, and it seems that their senses are taken from them, their understanding and judgment in righteousness are taken away, they go into darkness, and become like a blind person who gropes by the wall [see Isaiah 59:910; Deuteronomy 28:29] (DBY, 8283).
Many receive the Gospel because they know it is true; they are convinced in their judgment that it is true; strong argument overpowers them, and they are rationally compelled to admit the Gospel to be true upon fair reasoning. They yield to it, and obey its first principles, but never seek to be enlightened by the power of the Holy Ghost; such ones frequently step out of the way (DBY, 86).
When we find fault with Church leaders, we begin to separate ourselves from the Church.
Whenever there is a disposition manifested in any of the members of this Church to question the right of the President of the whole Church to direct in all things, you see manifested evidences of apostasyof a spirit which, if encouraged, will lead to a separation from the Church and to final destruction; wherever there is a disposition to operate against any legally appointed officer of this Kingdom, no matter in what capacity he is called to act, if persisted in, it will be followed by the same results; they will “walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, self-willed; they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities [see 2 Peter 2:10] (DBY, 83).
When a man begins to find fault, inquiring in regard to this, that, and the other, saying, “Does this or that look as though the Lord dictated it? you may know that that person has more or less of the spirit of apostasy. Every man in this Kingdom, or upon the face of the earth, who is seeking with all his heart to save himself, has as much to do as he can conveniently attend to, without calling in question that which does not belong to him. If he succeeds in saving himself, it has well occupied his time and attention. See to it that you are right yourselves; see that sins and folly do not manifest themselves with the rising sun (DBY, 83).
Many imbibe [conceive] the idea that they are capable of leading out in teaching principles that never have been taught. They are not aware that the moment they give way to this hallucination the Devil has power over them to lead them onto unholy ground; though this is a lesson which they ought to have learned long ago, yet it is one that was learned by but few in the days of Joseph (DBY, 7778).
[Such a person] will make false prophecies, yet he will do it by the spirit of prophecy; he will feel that he is a prophet and can prophesy, but he does it by another spirit and power than that which was given him of the Lord. He uses the gift as much as you and I use ours (DBY, 82).
One of the first steps to apostasy is to find fault with your Bishop; and when that is done, unless repented of a second step is soon taken, and by and by the person is cut off from the Church, and that is the end of it. Will you allow yourselves to find fault with your Bishop? (DBY, 86).
No man gets power from God to raise disturbance in any Branch of the Church. Such power is obtained from an evil source (DBY, 72).
People do, however, leave this Church, but they leave it because they get into darkness, and the very day they conclude that there should be a democratic vote, or in other words, that we should have two candidates for the presiding Priesthood in the midst of the Latter-day Saints, they conclude to be apostates. There is no such thing as confusion, division, strife, animosity, hatred, malice, or two sides to the question in the house of God; there is but one side to the question there (DBY, 85).
Those who lose the Spirit are filled with darkness and confusion.
When men lose the spirit of the work in which we are engaged, they become infidel in their feelings. They say that they do not know whether the Bible is true, whether the Book of Mormon is true, nor about new revelations, nor whether there is a God or not. When they lose the spirit of this work, they lose the knowledge of the things of God in time and in eternity; all is lost to them (DBY, 8384).
Men begin to apostatize by taking to themselves strength, by hearkening to the whisperings of the enemy who leads them astray little by little, until they gather to themselves that which they call the wisdom of man; then they begin to depart from God, and their minds become confused (DBY, 84).
What have the Latter-day Saints got to apostatize from? Everything that there is good, pure, holy, God-like, exalting, ennobling, extending the ideas, the capacities of the intelligent beings that our Heavenly Father has brought forth upon this earth. What will they receive in exchange? I can comprehend it in a very few words. These would be the words that I should use: death, hell and the grave. That is what they will get in exchange. We may go into the particulars of that which they experience. They experience darkness, ignorance, doubt, pain, sorrow, grief, mourning, unhappiness; no person to condole [lament] within the hour of trouble, no arm to lean upon in the day of calamity, no eye to pity when they are forlorn and cast down; and I comprehend it by saying death, hell and the grave. This is what they will get in exchange for their apostasy from the Gospel of the Son of God (DBY, 85).
You have known men who, while in the Church, were active, quick and full of intelligence; but after they have left the Church, they have become contracted in their understandings, they have become darkened in their minds and everything has become a mystery to them, and in regard to the things of God, they have become like the rest of the world, who think, hope and pray that such and such things may be so, but they do not know the least about it. This is precisely the position of those who leave this Church; they go into the dark, they are not able to judge, conceive or comprehend things as they are. They are like the drunken manhe thinks that everybody is the worse for liquor but himself, and he is the only sober man in the neighborhood. The apostates think that everybody is wrong but themselves (DBY, 84).
Those who leave the Church are like a feather blown to and fro in the air. They know not whither they are going; they do not understand anything about their own existence; their faith, judgment and the operation of their minds are as unstable as the movements of the feather floating in the air. We have not anything to cling to, only faith in the Gospel (DBY, 84).
We can stand firm by living our religion and seeking the Holy Spirit.
Will there still be apostasy? Yes, brethren and sisters, you may expect that people will come into the Church and then apostatize. You may expect that some people will run well for a season, and then fall out by the way (DBY, 8586).
Why do people apostatize? You know we are on the Old Ship Zion. We are in the midst of the ocean. A storm comes on, and, as sailors say, she labors very hard. I am not going to stay here, says one; I dont believe this is the Ship Zion. But we are in the midst of the ocean. I dont care, I am not going to stay here. Off goes the coat, and he jumps overboard. Will he not be drowned? Yes. So with those who leave this Church. It is the Old Ship Zion, let us stay in it (DBY, 85).
God is at the helm of this great ship, and that makes me feel good. Let those apostatize who wish to, but God will save all who are determined to be saved (DBY, 86).
If the people would live their religion, there would be no apostasy and we would hear no complaining or fault-finding. If the people were hungry for the words of eternal life, and their whole souls even centered on the building up of the Kingdom of God, every heart and hand would be ready and willing and the work would move forward mightily and we would advance as we should do (DBY, 84).
We want to live so as to have the Spirit every day, every hour of the day, every minute of the day, and every Latter-day Saint is entitled to the Spirit of God, to the power of the Holy Ghost, to lead him in his individual duties (DBY, 82).
Gotta love Brigham Young!
This scripture block will help students fortify (Because we have to have a strong defense mechanism against all those Korihor’s in the world.) their testimonies. As they study the tactics of the anti-Christ Korihor, they will learn to recognize the tactics and philosophies of modern anti-Christs. As they study Almas response to Korihor, they will be prepared to defend themselves and others against those who seek to destroy their faith.
Some Doctrines and Principles
Anti-Christs try to lead people away from God and His prophets (see Alma 30:1218, 2328).
A firm testimony of Jesus Christ and His prophets helps safeguard us from personal apostasy (see Alma 30:1922, 2944).
Disobedience leads to error and apostasy (see Alma 31:825).
Disciples of Jesus Christ love and serve others (see Alma 31:1238).
Suggestions for Teaching
Alma 30:1218, 2328. Anti-Christs Try to Lead People Away from God and His Prophets
Ask students to share some typical arguments people use to challenge faith in Jesus Christ. (Do not go into too much detail. Class members will discuss this further when you ask them to look at Korihors specific teachings.) As students share their thoughts, tell them that some people in Almas day tried to challenge those who believed in Jesus Christ. To help students understand that the Book of Mormon is a powerful resource to strengthen them against these challenges, ask them to read the statement by President Ezra Taft Benson on page 213 in the student manual.
How can studying the Book of Mormon protect us against the evil designs, strategies, and doctrines of the devil in our day?
During the lesson, encourage students to look for reasons why some of Almas people stayed faithful while others did not. Ask them to consider how the same principles apply to us today.
Invite students to read the Bible Dictionarys definition of the word antichrist. You may also want to refer them to the commentary on page 213 in the student manual. Briefly discuss characteristics of a person or idea that could be considered anti-Christ, emphasizing the Bible Dictionarys broad definition: anyone or anything that counterfeits the true gospel or plan of salvation and that openly or secretly is set up in opposition to Christ.
What affect can counterfeit money have on governments and individuals? (My question here is; What about counterfeit truth?)
What does it mean to counterfeit the true gospel? (My observation here is that setting up every other “gospel” – or religious teaching or interpretation – as counterfeit is not productive. We should be talking about how to discover counterfeits – and including the possibility that elements of our own teachings may contain counterfeits as well – rather than seeking to label everyone outside of our belief system as being a counterfeit)
What are some modern-day counterfeits that pretend to offer salvation? (As you invite students to respond to this question, do not allow any discussion that is critical of other religions. Rather, ensure that the discussion helps students recognize the dangers of false philosophies and attitudes like Korihors.)
Explain that today they will examine a Book of Mormon account of an anti-Christ. Invite them to turn to Alma 30:1218, 2328. Use the following chart (either by preparing a handout for the students or drawing the chart on the board) or have students make their own lists to identify Korihors false teachings. Help students compare Korihors tactics with those used in our day.
Discuss these verses by asking questions such as the following:
How are Korihors teachings like the false teachings in our day?
What are possible sources (such as people, institutions, or philosophies) of such false teachings today? (Hmmm? Could the corporate LDS church be one of those “institutions”?)
Explain that the first step in protecting ourselves against these teachings is to recognize them. By identifying Korihors teachings and tactics, we can more readily recognize their modern counterparts. Other portions of this chapter focus on ways to stay true to the restored gospel even when we face situations that try our faith.
Alma 30:1922, 2944. A Firm Testimony of Jesus Christ and His Prophets Helps Safeguard Us from Personal Apostasy (In other words, put on blinders to any possible wrongdoing by your own leaders because falling away should be avoided at all costs. And, if you do fall away, you will likely end up like Korihor! Don’t end up like Korihor is the message to the members of the church. Very sad.)
Ask the following question:
Why is it difficult to respond to arguments like Korihors?
Explain that we can learn from the responses of the people Korihor tried to deceive. Write People of Ammon on the board. Invite students to read Alma 30:1921 silently.
From what you know about the Ammonites, why do you think Korihor was unable to lead them astray? (Write students answers on the board next to People of Ammon.)
Write Giddonah on the board. Ask students to read Alma 30:2123, 29.
How did Giddonah respond to Korihors arguments? (Write students answers on the board next to Giddonah.)
In connection with Alma 30:29, invite students to read the statement by the Prophet Joseph Smith on page 217 in the student manual.
How can we tell if a person is sincerely seeking truth or just being contentious?
In what ways can we respond to someone who is asking difficult questions but sincerely seeking the truth? In what ways can we respond to someone who is being contentious?
Write Alma on the board. Invite students to read Alma 30:3044.
How did Alma respond to Korihors arguments? (Write students answers on the board next to Alma.)
Alma bore strong testimony of God the Father and Jesus Christ. To emphasize the power of personal testimony, ask a student to read the statement by Elder Jeffrey R. Holland on page 217 in the student manual.
In what ways is a personal testimony a timeless and ultimately undeniable weapon?
Alma was able to share his testimony so powerfully because he had worked to gain that testimony and strengthen it. To help students understand how Alma gained his testimony, divide them into four groups.
Write the following question on the board: What experiences prepared Alma to deal with Korihor and his teachings? Assign one of the following scripture blocks to each group: Mosiah 2729; Alma 13; Alma 47; Alma 816. Ask the groups to search the chapter headings in their assigned scripture blocks to help them recall Almas experiences.
When students have had enough time to study their assigned passages, ask each group to report their answers.
What experiences have you had that have strengthened your testimony and prepared you to defend your faith?
What can we do to prepare as Alma did?
Invite students to read Alma 30:39, 44 silently, marking the evidences Alma gave for the existence of God: (1) the testimonies of others, (2) the scriptures, and (3) Gods creations. Then discuss each of these evidences, using some or all of the following ideas:
Testimonies of Others
Ask a student to read Doctrine and Covenants 46:1314. Explain that the ability to believe others testimonies of the truth is a gift of the Spirit.
You may want to share the following statement by President HaroldB. Lee (18991973), the 11th President of the Church:
Some of you may not have a testimony, and so I have said to other groups like you, if you dont have a testimony today, why dont you cling to mine for a little while? Hold on to our testimonies, the testimonies of your bishops, your stake presidents, until you can develop it. If you can say nothing more today than I believe because my president, or my bishop, believes, I trust him, do this until you can get a testimony for yourselves; but I warn you that wont stay with you unless you continue to cultivate it and live the teachings (The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, ed. Clyde J. Williams , 136).
How have other peoples testimonies strengthened your testimony?
Have a student read the following statement by Elder Donald L. Staheli of the Seventy:
Personal, sincere involvement in the scriptures produces faith, hope, and solutions to our daily challenges. Frequently reading, pondering, and applying the lessons of the scriptures, combined with prayer, become an irreplaceable part of gaining and sustaining a strong, vibrant testimony (in Conference Report, Oct. 2004, 40; or Ensign, Nov. 2004, 39).
In what ways have the scriptures and the words of latter-day prophets strengthened your testimony?
Ask a student to read the statement by President Gordon B. Hinckley on page 218 in the student manual.
In what ways do the earth and heavens testify of God?
Alma 30:5253. I Always Knew That There Was a God
Invite a student to read Alma 30:5253. Then read the following statement by Sister Janette C. Hales, who served as Young Women general president. Ask students to listen carefully to the statement, reflecting on Korihors mistakes.
Korihor is described as an antichrist, but Im not sure that he started out that way. Have you ever thought that possibly Korihor started out with lots of questions? Although his questioning may have begun honestly, he made two really bad mistakes. First, he denied his faith. He denied the Light of Christ that had been given to him. Second, he started to preach false doctrine to others. Alma, his leader, bore his testimony to Korihor, and then Korihor made another mistake. Rather than listening to his leader and listening and relying on the Spirit, he defended his position with logic and became more argumentative. He demanded that he be given a sign. Korihor was given a sign. He was struck dumb. He didnt perhaps intend for the sign to have such an effect on him personally, but often the consequences of our mistakes do affect us personally.
Verses 52 and 53 of chapter 30 are most important, I believe. Korihor acknowledges, I always knew that there was a God. But behold, the devil hath deceived me (Alma 30:5253). Isnt that interesting? I always knew. He had the Light of Christ in him, but Satan deceived him (Lessons That Have Helped Me, in Brigham Young University 199293 Devotional and Fireside Speeches , 89).
According to Sister Hales, what were Korihors mistakes?
Why do you think someone in Korihors position might become defensive and argumentative rather than follow a leaders counsel?
Why is it unwise to become defensive and argumentative when we have questions or doubts?
Alma 31:5. The Word of God Has the Power to Help Us Improve
Have a student read the statement by President Boyd K. Packer on page 219 in the student manual.
Why is it important to learn the doctrines of the gospel? (See D&C 84:85.)
Why is it important to study the doctrine on our own and not to simply hear it spoken at church?
Ask a student to read Alma 31:5.
What gives the word of God power to change our lives? (Make sure students understand that one reason the word is powerful is that it invites the Holy Spirit into our lives.)
Invite a student to read the statement by President Ezra Taft Benson on pages 21920 in the student manual. Ask students to list the blessings President Benson described that come from studying the scriptures.
Alma 31:825. Disobedience Leads to Error and Apostasy
The Zoramites had been members of the Church but had fallen into great errors (Alma 31:9). Have the students compare the Nephites described in Alma 30:3 with the Zoramites described in Alma 31:910.
In what ways does disobedience influence our testimonies?
Have students cross-reference Alma 31:9 with John 7:17.
How does obedience influence our testimonies?
Invite students to quickly review Alma 31:125 and list characteristics of the Zoramites and their worship habits. (Students lists could include that the Zoramites said repetitious prayers, had one set place to pray, worshipped only once a week, believed that God had elected only them to be saved, were materialistic, and looked down on the poor.) Invite a few students to share their lists with the class. (You might consider drawing a parallel between the Zoramites actions and some of our modern-day tendencies, such as saying repetitious prayers, worshipping only once a week, feeling that we are chosen and better than others, and becoming materialistic.)
Through the following questions and discussion, help students understand that active involvement in the gospel, such as temple work, family home evening, service projects, and activities through our branches and wards, helps us stay close to the Lord. Such activities help us invite the Holy Spirit into our lives throughout the week, not just on the Sabbath. As the Spirit becomes part of our daily life, we are able to withstand the anti-Christs of our day and stay faithful to Jesus Christ.
Alma 31:10 says that the Zoramites refused to observe the performances of the church. What are some performances of the church today? (Answers may include priesthood ordinances, opportunities to serve in the Church, family responsibilities such as family home evening, personal prayer, scripture study, and temple and family history work.)
How do these performances help us avoid entering into temptation?
How do these performances invite the Spirit into our lives?
Why is the word daily in verse 10 important in our efforts to keep the Spirit in our lives? (See 2 Corinthians 4:16; Helaman 3:36. Note that since pride can grow upon [us] day to day, we need to be renewed day by day.)
Alma 31:1238. Disciples of Jesus Christ Love and Serve Others
Alma 31 contains two prayers that are very different from each other. As students compare the Zoramites prayer with Almas prayer, they can identify the possible thoughts and beliefs that led to the prayers. Have students quickly read Alma 31:1518 (the Zoramites prayer) and Alma 31:2635 (Almas prayer). Ask them to share what they learn about the Zoramites and Alma from the words of these prayers. Invite two students to list these insights on the board, one student listing insights about the Zoramites and the other listing insights about Alma.
What do you think motivated Alma to serve? (Answers might include his testimony, his love of God, and his love for other people.)
Help students understand that a testimony of Jesus Christ leads us to love and serve others. Read the following statement by Elder MarvinJ. Ashton of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (19151994):
When we truly become converted to Jesus Christ, committed to Him, an interesting thing happens: our attention turns to the welfare of our fellowmen, and the way we treat others becomes increasingly filled with patience, kindness, a gentle acceptance, and a desire to play a positive role in their lives. This is the beginning of true conversion (in Conference Report, Apr. 1992, 26; or Ensign, May 1992, 20).
What did Alma ask because he loved the people? (See Alma 31:3435.)
In what ways can we apply Almas example in our lives?
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Header: Paul describes the apostasy and perilous times of the last daysThe scriptures guide man to salvation.
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
…Three months later the Twelve Apostles left on missions, departing from John Johnsons inn in Kirtland. As members of the Twelve, Luke, Lyman, and Orson spent much of their time on missions, bringing many into the Church. But the seed of apostasy was sprouting in Kirtland. The Lord had said that where ones treasure is, there would his heart be also (Luke 12:34); sadly, many who had once given liberally of their means to build up the kingdom began to seek for personal wealth. Many who had once defended the Prophet now became his accusers. This spirit affected almost all of the Johnson family, including son-in-law Orson Hyde.
Both Luke and Lyman accused Joseph Smith of speaking disrespectfully of and to members of the Church. (See statements of Lyman E. Johnson, Orson Pratt, and Luke Johnson, 29 May 1837, Whitney Collection, Brigham Young University Special Collections Library, box 2, fd. 1.) On one occasion during the passing of the sacrament in the Kirtland Temple, Lyman stood and cursed the Prophet, who was on the stand. When the bread was passed to him he reached out his hand for a piece of bread and flung it into his mouth like a mad dog. His face turned black with rage and with the power of the devil. (Millennial Star, 57:340) Joseph Smith later pinpointed such faultfinding with the Church leadership as the cause of apostasy.
Affairs in Kirtland continued to worsen. Luke Johnson and other dissidents organized for the overthrow of the Church, claiming they were the old standard, and calling themselves the Church of Christ. Luke described those dark days: Having partaken of the spirit of speculation, which at that time was possessed by many of the saints and Elders, my mind became darkened, and I was left to pursue my own course. I lost the spirit of God, and neglected my duty. (History of Luke Johnson by Himself, Archives of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 7)
Father John Johnson was also affected by this apostasy and was dropped from the high council and excommunicated. (See History of the Church, 2:510 and The Historical Record, Andrew Jenson, ed, and pub., vol. 5, Salt Lake City, 1889, p. 32.)
It is both sad and inspiring to follow the lives of Lyman and Luke Johnson and of Orson and Marinda Johnson Hyde and to see the effect that apostasy and, in turn, personal righteousness had on their lives.
Upon being ordained the first apostle in this dispensation, Lyman received a powerful blessing. He was told that his faith would be like Enochs and that he would be called great among all the living; and Satan shall tremble before him. (History of the Church, 2:188) Yet in only three years his obedience and his faith had failed, and Satan, rather than trembling before him, had conquered him. (Apostates are conquered by Satan)
After apostatizing, Lyman remained friendly to his former associates, making occasional visits to Nauvoo. On one such visit he related his present feelings, as reported by Brigham Young:
If I could believe Mormonism as I did when I traveled with you and preached, if I possessed the world I would give it. I would give anything, I would suffer my right hand to be cut off, if I could believe it again. Then I was full of joy and gladness. My dreams were pleasant. When I awoke in the morning my spirit was cheerful. I was happy by day and by night, full of peace and joy and thanksgiving. But now it is darkness, pain, sorrow, misery in the extreme. I have never since seen a happy moment. (Journal of Discourses, 19:41) (Also from this reference: Lyman E. Johnson belonged to the Quorum of the Twelve; he was the first man called when the Twelve were called; his name was first, Brigham Young’s second, and Heber C. Kimball’s third. The testimony that he gave of his bitter experience is the testimony that every apostate would give if they would tell the truth. But will they acknowledge it? No, because they do not want to tell the truth.)
It is little wonder his death was tragic. According to Wilford Woodruff, he did not go and hang himself [like Judas], but he did go and drown himself, and the river went over his body while his spirit was cast into the pit, where he ceased to have the power to curse either God or His Prophet in time or in eternity. (Millennial Star, 57:340; see also Andrew Jenson, Latter-Day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia, Vol. 1, Salt Lake City: The Andrew Jenson History Co., 1901, p. 92.)
As Lymans brother Luke was ordained and set apart as a member of the Twelve, he was promised that if he were cast into prison he would be a comfort to the hearts of his comrades. (See History of the Church, 2:190.) In three years, however, he was an apostate. But his blessing still came about: he was a comfort to the hearts of his comrades in prison, but as a constable instead of as a fellow prisoner. Remaining friendly to the Church, he assisted the Prophet to legally escape from those who were pressing him with lawsuits. (See History of Luke Johnson by Himself, Church Archives, p. 6.)
Luke was also able to help Joseph Smith, Sr., to escape imprisonment on charges instigated through malice. Luke took Father Smith to court for trial, but since the court was not ready to convene, he took him into an adjoining room to wait. While in the room, Luke removed a nail which secured the window, and then left, locking the door behind him. Back in the courtroom, he started telling funny stories so laughter would cover Father Smiths escape. When the prisoner was called by the court, Luke entered the room where Father Smith had been kept, replaced the nail in the window, and came out reporting the escape of the prisoner. Members of the court rushed in. Upon finding the window fastened, they declared it another Mormon miracle.
Luke met Eliza R. Snow the following day and asked her how his escaped prisoner was faring at the Snow house. He then commented, Father Smith will bless me for it, all the days of his life. Upon returning home, Eliza repeated Lukes words to Patriarch Smith, who affirmed the truth of the statement. (See History of Luke Johnson by Himself, Church Archives, pp. 67, and Eliza R. Snow Smith, Biography and Family Record of Lorenzo Snow, Salt Lake City: Deseret News Co., 1884, pp. 2224.)
But Luke did not die an apostate like his brother Lyman did. Before the Saints left Nauvoo, he rose and spoke to an assembled group, telling of his apostasy, but declaring that his heart was with the Saints and that now he wanted to go with them into the wilderness, and continue with them to the end. His brother-in-law, Orson Hyde, rebaptized him. (See Manuscript History of Brigham Young, 184647. Elden Jay Watson, ed. and pub., Salt Lake City, 1971, p. 72.) Luke then went back to Kirtland to pick tip his family.
Lukes newly-restored faith was tried by fire as he started West with his family. His wife, Susan Poteet, died as they traveled to Council Bluffs. After burying her in St. Joseph, Missouri, Luke continued on with his six motherless children. The Church leaders seemed to feel concern that this trial might be too much for the newly rebaptized Luke; however, it was recorded that he was yet apparently feeling well and enjoying himself. (Watson, p. 494)
On his arrival in Council Bluffs, Luke was comforted by a poem written for him by Eliza R. Snow, his neighbor for many years in Ohio, which in part read:
Mourn not oer your long-beloved Susan,
Love her stillshes gone above,
To fulfil a heavenly mission,
To perform a work of love.
(A History of Clover, Centennial Year, 18561956, rev. ed., Tooele, Utah: Transcript-Bulletin, 1960, p. 41)
At Council Bluffs, Luke married America M. Clark, by whom he had eight children. Selected as captain of ten men in the original pioneer company, he had to leave his family at Council Bluffs while he found a home for them in the valley of the Great Salt Lake. When his first trek was over, he returned to Council Bluffs to get his family, and together they reached Utah in 1853, settling in Rush Valley, near Tooele, Utah, in 1856.
He was appointed by Wilford Woodruff to be the first presiding elder over the little Utah settlement which later was called Clover, Utah. Luke also served as the first and only probate judge of Shambip [Rush] County, now a part of Tooele County, and he became a friend of the Indians. He was the first doctor in the area, and his wife, America, served as midwife. He served faithfully both his Church and community until his death at the home of his brother-in-law Orson Hyde in Salt Lake City in 1861.
Lukes family has continued to serve the little town of Clover. His son, Orson A. Johnson, served as a counselor to three bishops. A grandson, Edwin H. Johnson, served as a ward clerk to two bishops, and three great-grandsons, Merlin M. Johnson, Joseph William Russell, Jr., and Orson Albert Johnson, have all served as bishops of the Clover Ward. Merlin M. Johnson also served as a county commissioner for Tooele County.
Records arent complete concerning the fate of all the members of the Johnson family, but much mention is made of Marinda Johnson and her husband, Orson Hyde. During the Kirtland days, Orson became temporarily sympathetic with the apostate faction, but within a very short time, he had repented and returned to the Church. He walked into a meeting where Heber C. Kimball was being set apart to open England to the preaching of the gospel and to preside over the mission. Overwhelmed by the words of the blessing, Orson asked for forgiveness and for permission to accompany Heber to England as a missionary. His repentance was accepted, and he too was set apart. (See History of the Church, 2:48990.)
When Orson left for England, Marinda was left with a three-week-old baby. Many years later, it was said of her that she experienced what so many Mormon women have since felt, the cares and anxieties of the wife and mother when the husband is on a mission in a foreign land, and the sustaining influence of the Holy Spirit that enabled her to bear cheerfullyeven happilythe many scenes of hardship and persecution that all the old members of the Church have endured. (Journal History, 24 Mar. 1886, p. 3) This was one of many times Marinda was asked to wait for her husband as he traveled the globe in Church service.
Marinda was the only one of the Johnson family known to have moved to Nauvoo. There she experienced joy in living the gospel and sorrow as she bade farewell to her husband on his frequent missions for the Church. Undoubtedly one of her greatest trials came when Orson fulfilled a mission to Palestine, traveling approximately twenty thousand miles. In his dedicatory prayer on the Mount of Olives he particularly remembered his family at home:
Though Thy servant is now far from his home yet he remembers, O Lord, his family, whom for Thy sake he has left The hands that have fed, clothed, or shown favor unto the family of Thy servant in his absence, or that shall hereafter do so, let them not lose their reward, but let a special blessing rest upon them, and in Thy kingdom let them have an inheritance when Thou shalt come to be glorified in this society. (History of the Church, 4:458)
This prayer was heard, and the answer given only nine days later in a revelation to the Prophet Joseph. The Lord instructed Joseph Smith that Marinda should have a better place to live, in order that her life may be spared. Joseph was further directed to importune the Ebenezer Robinson family to provide for her and her children until Orson returned from his mission. The Robinsons were promised that as they provided for Marinda ungrudgingly, she would be a blessing to them. Finally, Marinda was charged to follow the living prophet in all things whatsoever he shall teach unto her, and promised that this would prove to be a blessing to her. (History of the Church, 4:467.) (Not mentioned in this article is that Marinda was married to Joseph Smith in April 1842. This is what Joseph meant when he charged Marinda to follow the prophet.)
Marinda experienced the anguish of being driven from her home again as the Saints left Nauvoo. Her sorrow was offset somewhat by the joy of being one of the first to receive her endowment in the Nauvoo Temple. Another cause for great rejoicing before leaving Nauvoo was the return of her prodigal brother, Luke, to the Church.
Orson and Marinda Hyde lived at Council Bluffs until 1852, with Orson presiding over the Church there. During that time, Marinda received a letter from Sarah M. Kimball, a dear friend in Nauvoo:
Nothing affords me more pleasure than to be assured that I am not forgotten by one whom I so dearly love as yourself. I was sorry to hear that yr [your] family have been sick dear Sister H. You must have had yr heart & hands full but you say, you had strength given according to yr day, inasmuch as you have not been overcome it is all right for your husband said when here that we must overcome all things in order to become pillars in the Temple of God. (Sarah M. Kimball to Marinda Hyde, dated 2 Jan. 1848, Church Archives.)
Much of Marinda is revealed in this letter: her suffering, her patience in affliction, and her faithfulness to the kingdom.
Like her brother Luke, Marinda Johnson Hyde made a lasting contribution in the establishment of Utah. After coming to Utah in 1852, she and her husband settled in the Seventeenth Ward. In 1868 she became the wards Relief Society president, serving in that position until her death. She also was a member of the board of directors of the Deseret Hospital in Salt Lake. She sought the rights of Mormon women at a time when much of the nation was attempting to destroy the rights of all Latter-day Saints and was selected as a member of a committee which drafted a resolution against some of the vicious antipolygamy legislation being considered in Congress. (See Millennial Star, vol. 32, p. 113.) She also was one of fourteen women who drafted a resolution thanking the acting governor of Utah, S. A. Mann, for signing the act that gave the women in Utah the right to vote, the second such act in the United States.
(See Journal History, 19 Feb. 1870, p. 4; also see Russell R. Rich, Ensign to the Nations, Provo, Utah: Brigham Young University Publications, 1972, pp. 37273. Utah women were, the first to vote but the second to get the franchise.)
The year before her death, Marinda was honored on her seventieth birthday as being one of the oldest living members of the Church, having been baptized in 1831. She died 23 March 1886 in Salt Lake City. Her husband, Orson, had died previously on 28 November 1878.
Marindas death ended the earthly career of the original John Johnson family, a family who left a lasting impression on the Church and all those who knew them. Like Lehis family, their disobedience resulted in unhappiness and tragedy, and their faithfulness resulted in the blessings and happiness of the gospel.
Just to sum up. If you leave the church, not only have you lost the faith and the spirit, you are; unhappy, ignorant, lost, contentious, fallen, sorrowful, overcome by evil, counterfeit, sad, unsuccessful in life, vicious, disobedient and your life will end in tragedy. Those poor souls. They don’t realize what they are doing to their loved one’s by labeling them so and insisting they know, better than others do, what their lives are like. Thanks for reading this entire post (if you made it)! I know it is a long one, but I wanted to have a pretty comprehensive summary from LDS.org sources of how members of the church are taught to feel about those that leave. Good luck out there in the world of personal apostasy…if that is your place…apparently you will need it!